Marshner has since left Christendom. Adele has no bad girl reputation on campus. Enjoy your sparkles. 2,933 Followers. [42], In 2017, Christendom's rugby team won the NSCRO 7's Collegiate Rugby National Championship in its first year of contention. Seriously how is this possible? Most couples are friends of other couples and all hang out together both on campus and off campus. He is the author of The Persecuted: True Stories of. I would like to know so that I can have a fair understanding of the situation. Was there ever a police report filed? The idea of reporting her rape scared Smith. In April of 2011, Smith decided to tell the police about the rape. And certainty this is a universal problem, but Christendom was the first place I ever had to sit at a desk and be talked about in terms like less rational,secondary and obedient. The reason I posited a scenario where the college questioned both accused and accuser is so someone in a leadership position could hear the testimonies with objectivity and discernment and make a prudential judgement on behalf of the greater good of the community. Desiring a return to a Catholic university education adhering to the teachings of the Catholic Magisterium,[3] Carroll and four founding faculty members, William Marshner, Jeffrey A. Mirus, Kristin (ne Popik) Burns, and Raymund P. O'Herron, started the college in an abandoned elementary school in Triangle, Virginia, housing a total of 26 students[2] and five faculty. I don't have any traumatic stories of being bullied for being LGBT, secret Church pedophiles, or other abuse tragically common for many here (though, for all I know, that stuff might've been happening where I didn't look.) And they need to get rid of those moldy carpets! But it took me a second to realize what was happening. I used to ask my fiance when we were engaged, do you love me a la folie? Trying to live as a chaste couple before marriage, I was constantly struggling with worries over love and acceptancemany times after making out wildly with him but then walking away and saying goodnight. There are not a lot of options if you dont have a car. Protected: Podcast 3dunno: Even Wilder Turkey! He told her her back might be more comfortable in the back seat, and they could put the laptop in the center console to listen to music. Are you joking? I hope and pray that the administration can get it together and respond better to sexual assault claims, because it IS a great place. We contacted the young man and he has not yet responded, so we are not using his name at this time. As far as I can see, either your outrage should be with park police and the legal system that did nothing, as opposed to the school which actually did something(albeit minor), or you should be mad at yourselves for not hiring a bounty hunter to mutilate the guy. You are very brave. No wonder Christendom is so embarrassed that they havent put their apology on their website yet. While it is true that Cdom, as I understand it, expels people for far less, it is usually for things in which there is more evidence or for matters that are more in their jurisdiction. That is not an easy thing to set up, yet the article claims that adding a sexual assault policy to the handbook is as easy as, opening a word document and writing it up: Dont rape people.'. For what its worth, I believe Adeles story, and as someone who has been sexually assaulted (but not raped) and not gone to the authorities, I understand why she didnt at first. Yes, the prosecutor has to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT the guilt of the accused. He RETIRED a year or so ago. How can young people be prepared to succeed and keep the Faith in such a world? Christendom College is a private Catholic college in Virginia. I had been waiting for marriage. If theyre allowed to kiss in a common area, then if the guy says come up to my room, shes going to say no, because theres nothing she could do in his room that she cant in the common area, except stuff she doesnt want to do. . Protected: Podcast 33: Hes a very nice guy. i am beginning to wonder if it really exists or is just a figment of a perverted imagination. Goodbye, Christendom College. This way of thinking is part of the problem and how dare you try and equate her rape with a cheap romance novel script. L.A. Councilmember Nury Martinez, others make racist comments - Los For the record, my first year of university was spent at a secular institution in mixed accommodation with no regulations on behaviour between the sexes. They had a legal responsibility to investigate throughly, and a moral responsibility to respond appropriately, which they did not do. I dont doubt that injustices have been done in the past and will be done in the future: this is a fallen world. People will actually believe this ludicrous drivel. Banning them from living on campus and allowing a professor to shelter them does not protect other students.. There were crazy people, there were priests who dispensed truly awful guidance in spiritual direction. Christendom College admits students of any race, color, national and ethnic origin to all the rights, privileges, programs, and activities generally accorded or made available to students at the school. O.o. And this is ore than just a liberal arts school, it is a Catholic institution. His behavior is horrible and I hope that he experiences the full extent of the justice system. Hes obviously prideful and arrogant. This gives women more of an opportunity to share a concern or incident with a staff member they trust. Thats certainly not Christendoms fault.. You dont like the sense it makes, you disagree with it, but your disagreement does not make it illogical. A policy for handling this should of course be on the books. Smith does not remember getting dressed after the rape. The school does not accept federal funding. So places without rda rules have less rape? How insulting is this point of view: all men will rape given the right kind of no.. False accusations may be relatively rare, but they are still real. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The victims always blame themselves.. Be a patron of the (f)arts! If Front Royal is a tiny rural town, as these articles say, then a college, even a small one, is a large part of that town. It seems to be a bigger problem now that the sexually charged culture doesnt help young men and women relate to each other without sexual overtones in every encounter. Are you seriously suggesting universities ban men from campus who are accused of rape with no proof and without an accuser who is even willing to go to the police or a local hospital for a rape kit exam, etc. Christendom is praised as a safe haven where young students can focus on their studies, grow in their faith, and breathe the Catholic air. But several former and current students say the schools sheltered, highly structured campus culture actually facilitates sexual assault and that the administration works harder to protect its reputation than it does to protect its students. Question: are the writers christendom 2020 and sophomore girl at Christendom the same girl/ writer? the letters read to indicate the same writer. These are some of the difficult questions the college should have asked itself. President As I informed you at the meeting, I do not find these interactions with Adele to be acceptable, appropriate, or in keeping with our Code of Student Conduct. Inaccuracies did not have to do with Miss Smiths heartbreaking account. Curious. That is no small feat. This is a favored tactic of shoddy journalists who want to do a hit piece, and the Fishers followed the recipe quite well. Open your eyes; the inward and the outward ones, Simcha, and realize that the secular law will never be more then a band-aid for these types of crimes with a festering wound underneath. It was very much like a museum, like an exhibit. She is very careful not to mention the perpetrators name without permission, but this courtesy given to the attacker is not given to any of the teachers and staff at the school. Why not with the rape? Would you like to explain, please, what you mean by inaccuracies? The comparison between rape and public drunkenness is egregiously unfair. To you fellow women out there, Im sure you all know the feeling of power that we experience over a man who is attracted to us. This is an insane accusation and was never the case, as students have stated. Are you saying that campus security police are supposed to be policing the town? Sounds great. Could the students be provided with more places to hang out together in small groups? In my head I thought he was able to walk away does he really love me? We women all love being loved, and physical intimacy is such a natural sign of love and acceptance. Badly bungling? Or even if he left Front Royal, this would not guarantee the safety of other women. I wasn't really prepared for the amount of raw heresy I was surrounded with. All rights reserved. A school can also take rape allegations seriously, and remove the accused person from campus. The man was not charged, let alone convicted of rape. Hurt by Catholics? We have a new sexual harassment and assault policy published in the Student Handbook with instructions on how to report sexual harassment and assault and how to receive resources for recovery (page 29 of the student handbook). @CMFE But Hollywood isnt doing a better job. Its not completely new to me, since Gasp! If Christendom University has an ongoing serious problem (and it may for all I know), this article doesnt demonstrate that. [12] Construction began in 1992, and was completed in 1995. Carroll decided not to accept federal funding at the college, choosing instead to rely on generous benefactors. Her point is that they did not do their best. I cant think of anything more serious than that, thats shy of expulsion. We are committed in our policies, our procedures, and in our on-campus culture to uphold and promote the dignity of women and men. For a piece of journalism like this to make such accusations without even one example just shows what a hack job they did on this hit piece. This is part of the problem: college kids are not children but adults with agency to make decisions for their life. That is absurd. By driving students off campus, the school is making the students, especially women, more vulnerable. The only thing that will stop him is a clear splash of water in the face, a no different that all the others, or getting out of the car and running away. The faculty at this school is one of the most remarkable aspects of Christendom. we could! You shooting in the dark hoping to hit a target, isnt helping. I went there for four and a half years, and my experience was the opposite they were *really* hard on sexual issues, and pretty lenient on the drinking. They therefore leave campus to do that thing. The Painful Connections Between Christianity and Racism Which they could now do on campus anyway. We will do better. It does truly permeate the campus. Sure, maybe. Karen wrote, reads as if composed by a hypnotized 5 year old.. When she told a few of her friends that something had happened between them, he began circulating the story that she had seduced him and then regretted it. The other items linked ARE quoted and described in the article. While I am not a Christendom graduate, I know many graduates. Never tell a rape or assault victim that consent is nebulous. Kissing allowed. Its hard to explain why my GPA is so poor.. Im glad to see Christendom has made some changes and I certainly hope it will continue to educate its students and do all they can do to minister to needs and address wrongs. Gross inaccuracies in the story include quoting someone as saying men and women arent allowed to even sit next to each other. 2) If the college does anything to improve, dont actually describe their efforts in the article. My sympathies. I attended Steubie in the mid 2000s. Is it worse to let a rapist remain on campus or expel an innocent student? He kept saying, Hit me. He kept grabbing my hand and trying to make me slap him, Smith said. If she simply made an error in judgment and regretted the decision, she would be stating she had sex and lost her virginity before she planned to. [39] Its flexible and accommodating studies allows students of all ages and from all over the world to attend either part-time or full-time, year-round, summers-only, or winters-only, and also to study at a distance through online courses. If that happens, hopefully the young lady will have a CRKT S.P.E.W. What an incredible witness to the faith! It doesnt discredit their criticism, but it does show an obvious bias that the scandal is associated with the school and not the park police or FroRo police. When I was in the middle school (age 12-15 in my country), there was that one super religious girl in my class. Well said. The wonderful thing is that in America there are thousands of schools that allow all of those things. Is that whats happening right now?'. I am very sorry to hear of any sexual assault and it can happen in Front Royal. I also disagree with your assessment that author doesnt have a clear stance on whether the student should have been expelled. Christendom College is a four-year coeducational Roman Catholic Liberal Arts College with undergraduate and graduate programs offered in locations in Front Royal and Alexandria, Virginia, Donegal, Ireland, and Rome, Italy. In Adeles case it sounds like the college really did blow it by not giving credence to her rape charge, but did you *really* try to get their side of it before you published your hit piece here? Mark Fusco - Priest in Residence - Christendom College | Business Good job trying to romanticize rape, but your writing would be more appropriate in a pornographic novel, where creeps actually try to convince themselves women enjoy being raped. Heres my letter that i wrote to Christendom last month. In the example, they decide to fornicate, but then the young woman regrets her choice, and decides to claim the young man attacked her. When the things that are prohibited include normal and moral activities, then there is something wrong with them. Everyone knew., Smith complained to the school, and she says they gave Marshner a slap on the wrist.. Right. How about holding the US Government responsible since theyre the ones that oversee Skyline? For me, I recoil when I think of the frankly horrible things I used to say and believe, especially to LGBTQ+ people. She describes the open houses that would take place in the dorms once a semester. [12] Needing a major gift to launch the project, O'Donnell prayed with then-Executive Vice President Mark McShurley for help and, within 30 minutes of praying together, an anonymous donor called to pledge $250,000 to the Chapel fund. It was the same with the guys open house, except theyd have TVs and video games. I was struggling with my sexuality and trying to flee from the fact that I was gay and ended up doing so by going to grad school at the Dominican House of Studies in DC while I discerned joining the OP as a novice. It has been hard to process that and it is hard to look back without having suspicions towards many of even the "well-meaning and reasonable" authorities on campus. In retrospect, the College may not have served these victims as well as we could have, and for this hurt we are truly sorry for any additional pain that this may have caused. I believe Adeles story 100%. Therefore, you are being charged with violating the Code of Student Conduct., A disciplinary conference was scheduled for July 28 of 2011. The school promised to conduct a complete and careful investigation.. Christendom College is a Catholic liberal arts college in Front Royal, Virginia, United States, located in the Shenandoah Valley. It isnt Christendoms fault this happened they can only learn as fast as the culture encroaches..that young man should have kept his hands to himself period. Please post in r/excatholicDebate for further discussion, Press J to jump to the feed. All it did was push people into secret places where chastity was more in danger. Smith thinks he might have been trying to make it appear that she was the one who assaulted him. On Racism and Cancel Culture - Cardinal Newman Society Have you seen the alleged rape rate at those colleges that DO accept federal funds?? Simcha does that, see? Simcha is right on in insisting that consent be taught at Christendom and in Catholic bubbles. Sure. Thank you for writing this. want more proof of sexual assualts? [in loco parentis] is not a phrase that I use with any frequency, ODonnell wrote toward the end of his letter to Scott Smith. The idea of being torn apart in court by someone with a law degree, and it being in the paper, was too much for me to imagine. Christendom is NOT in the Arctic Circle. We clearly received the impression that Mr. Dorman wasnt going to do anything . The lack of process in place is about the same for most schools that size and design. Her hatred for Christendom is glaring. [14] The school has also broken enrollment goals and records numerous years in a row, defying declining higher education enrollment trends across the United States. Way to play Blame the Victim! When the schools response is to prevent the rapist from living on campus for a semester, and a professor welcomes him into his home while smearing the student who was raped in class, without serious consequences, its fair to criticize the school. The article makes the following claim without proof or attribution, and it has been contended with by several students, But current students and alumni say the school has a boys will be boys attitude which allows the male students to harass and grab at the women. No more specifics are given, but the implication is that men are allowed to grab womens arses, etc., without repercussion even to their reputations. We care if you drink off campus, but not if you rape off campus, she said. [37], In 2022, Luckey appeared in court and pled guilty in order to receive a reduced sentence of time served, 24 months supervised probation, and must register as a sex offender. Case in point, when I started going off the rails I would have expected my fellow Catholics to guide me back, especially the older more experienced upper classman I tried to lean on. You keep going. The faculty hold degrees from schools such as Columbia University, Yale University, Catholic University of America, University of Notre Dame, University of Virginia, the Pontifical University of Saint Thomas Aquinas, and The John Paul II Institute for Marriage and Family (Rome, Washington DC, and Melbourne sessions). Her GPA slipped to 1.2. With this goal in mind, the College utilizes single-sex dormitories, visitation policies to promote chastity, planned weekly events as a way to proactively promote sobriety and counter any temptation toward a drinking scene, and spiritual programs to foster students prayer lives and spirituality.. is buddy allen married. Can we PLEASE stop framing this as something between women and men and acknowledge that assault and coercion also happen between men and between women, as well as from women to men? Hes not stopping. The reporting alleges/implies that young women arent safe at Christendom, that the university has an ongoing culture of assault and harassment toward women which is accepted by the community, and that the University doesnt help women who have been raped. And boy, you are right. If they had to leave public areas to show affection, then they might as well go to the prettiest. I dont understand the logic of protecting the identity of the alleged rapist and meanwhile running the names of college faculty through the mud for not somehow preventing a rape that occurred on a mountain and for not expelling a student for a rape that went unreported for a year and a half with no evidence. One day, she was sitting and waiting for a friend to come out of his dorm, and the young man who had assaulted her came out. The lack of PDA rules has not protected the women on those campuses. I was raised in a conservative evangelical household and converted to Catholicism my junior year. The cultural revolution of the twentieth century continues to take its toll on the world and on Catholic higher education. The whole In loco parentis thing was alive and well and enforced. 1) Christendom is very small and a step off campus puts one right back in the non-PDA world. Ask any psychologist who works with seminarians how many enter the seminary struggling in a battle against pornography. In this period, members of the Christian clergy wield political authority. Thank you for writing that. Ive seen way too many crises in my time, where people just went on acting as if nothing happened, not because they didnt care, but because its all they knew how to do and werent really able to fathom it, much less solve it. Tag: racism National Congress on the Word of God: A Two-Edged Sword. Lets embrace it. I cant stop him, apparently, she recalled thinking. Seite auswhlen. I know I do. Im not sure what the point is, later comment by Simcha was that the college should be held accountable..How are they not being held countable? You clearly didnt read my comments carefully. Lol there was the one time I said I was suicidal youll go to hell he replied I dont care I responded your psychotic he said. She was not treated properly from a Catholic perspective nor from an institutional perspective. This subreddit is for any and all ex-Catholics to talk, educate, discuss and maybe even bitch about their experiences within the Catholic Church. College students are able to refrain the same as monks, office workers, single adults and most adults in public life. Unfortunately we cant actually know if Christendom is safer when they dont even write down that there was an allegation. Protected: Podcast 23: Look at that s car go! [28] College President Timothy O'Donnell acknowledged victims in an official statement, saying, "We have failed some of our students. As I said, virtue thrives in the light. He started kissing her. Our countrys policies right now generally say yes for potential terrorists, but no for potential rapists. But honestly what is Smith talking about when she refers to the only cafe in town?? How clear is our no, really? The alleged assault did not occur on campus. Purity more and more asks for a heroic virtue. I am a 92 graduate, and my oldest is a graduate, and I have three other kids currently there. Ill be brief, and in no particular order, but: But current students and alumni say the school has a boys will be boys attitude which allows the male students to harass and grab at the women. He was my friend, I knew him, I knew his sister, and it felt very natural sitting in the back, Smith said. Again, this is the convenient thing about being a private institution: you can act in seemingly arbitrary ways in order to achieve what you know to be the common good. We were certainly not taught that a parked car on a lonely spot was a good idea for a date by any of the professors, Administrators, all who took pains to teach us a dating culture that could help us mature and protect us. [13], Since 1992, student enrollment has grown from 144 undergraduates to nearly 550 students, not including graduate school students. In all likelihood it would not have happened on campus because they would not have been alone together. While the classes and Catholic culture are unique, the college administration struggles with some modernization of the buildings . From what I understand, the school has only gotten worse. Just like all men who overpower women should, personally Id like to know if he grew up in a Novus Ordo mass if we are going to start taking these types of potshots.and if his parents did too.. Theyre usually published in any article Ive ever read regarding assault. Youve been completely infected by the porn saturated culture we live in. Recently, one of the priests who was a major force on campus has charged with rape of a mentally-ill woman. 238: Deep in the heart of New Hampshire, Whats for supper? Is the suggestion that Christendom should act in the place of the police, even without evidence of the rape? Christendom College is a four-year coeducational Roman Catholic Liberal Arts College with undergraduate and graduate programs offered in locations in Front Royal and Alexandria, Virginia, Donegal, Ireland, and Rome, Italy. There is a french expression a la folie; when you love someone a la folie, it means you love them to the point of madness. And meanwhile, you get a certain thrill from seeing that now youve unleashed his passion and he DOES love you a la folie. So now my daughter must endure the presence of her attacker on the campus. Sexual harassment and assault is inimical to such an environment. Yes, I can see now how that should be a good rule of thumb. ' into the handbook. Simcha you must not be very up on your news, because from what I have been reading in the news of the secular world, it seems that these types of crimes sometimes take twenty years to detangle.Why mention Title IX?? She had no objection, as they had kissed before. There was always a (subtle enough that it could be gaslighted away if you tried to talk about it) sense that women just dont matter as much at Christendom. It has sent the implicit message to women at Christendom that the such attacks within the Christendom family will be tolerated, that the attacker will receive no punishment, that women who are attacked will have to endure the fear of retaliation, both on a physical level, and on the level of damage to their reputations.. If he was accused again in the future, the record would help support that accusation. The school determined the young man was responsible for the violation of Harassment.. The reality is men can say no, men can control their actions and they are humans with free will. should be torn down. yes! If law enforcement is not protecting its students (or at least diligently investigating student claims of assault), Christendom should be making a great effort to effect change. I believe in my day there was one security guard who wandered around at night with a flashlight, and that was it. in austria i was still unhappy, decided to leave early with an Associates degree. Small, comfy (by Catholic standards), friendly, followed Church rules, Catholic-focused academics (theology classes, everything oriented toward Europe and Church history, etc.). As part of this commitment, the College undertakes to educate the student body about sexual harassment and assault. But when he started putting his hand inside her shirt, she told him No, and pushed his hand away. To find out more about Student Achievement at Christendom, click here. Unfortunately sometimes the police are notified and when they investigate the alleged crime they find out that everything does not add up as the accuser states it happened. Thanks for writing this- I hope the college considers educating more students on assault and consent.

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