If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. Ex-wife slams devil Texas father Yaser Said over honor killings of Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. The District Attorney got this one right. In one entry, she writes that she has plans for people who have messed with her, and that "people will be surprised of what she is capable of," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren said. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Remembering Patricia Cole, former copy editor at NPR : NPR Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Hair we go. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. And its been bad. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Phone records dont lie.) RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. All rights reserved. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. And Patricia did live in another state. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. And she called 911. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Why not question some of this evidence? I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. No charmed life. Omg so well put! He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Hoist by your own petard. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. But none of those charges ever stuck. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. None. The Prues were accused of luring Jenkins, a single mother, from her rural home and then strangling and beating her to death. Conflicting versions. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Youll have to make do with what you see here. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Bob Kopta said that his wife had mental health issues and had spoken of going to the warm climate of the island. Meticulous primping. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. She held up pictures of her dead daughters. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. Its barely visible in the picture. I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. Very similar. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. . She hadn't lived long enough.". No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". Required fields are marked *. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. Lie detectors are pseudo science. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. Emailus. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Fugitive dad arrested for slaying teen daughters in honor killing She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. Not gender neutral. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. in journalism from the University of Southern California. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). (We didnt get into the specifics.). A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Unbloody vehicle. This article is little more than fiction. Simpson says there is reasonable doubt in Murdaugh murder case, Ex-Beyond Meat COO pleads guilty to felony after taking a bite out of strangers nose in uncontrollable rage following football game, Mullet streaker bellyflops into pond at pro golfs Greatest Show on Grass before hes arrested, 'I'm a father and I couldn't do this': Florida man convicted of murdering almost 3-month-old baby boy, Jan. 6th rioter who stole Officer Michael Fanone's badge following Capitol assault pleads guilty, 'We really thought she was dead': Long-missing Pennsylvania woman discovered alive in Puerto Rico after 30 years, 'Things went horribly wrong': Devastated family sues mortuary over wrongful cremation, 82-year-old woman pronounced dead at nursing home, but funeral home found her breathing: Authorities, California Cops Looking For Man Who Left Human Remains On Police Station Counter, Why Man Who Sued Sheriff For Wheel of Fugitive May Have Claim: Analysis. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Great communicator. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. Weak wages. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Have you read the book? Theres speculation and theres lies period. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Youre absolutely right!! A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. Did you personally attend the trial? The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Patricia said she didn't have plans to attend Weinstein's trial since she was spending time with her 16-year-old daughter, Harlow, but praised Rosanna's "bravery." neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. I noticed quite a few errors myself. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. And she will have to answer eventually. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Patricia They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. There was widespread speculation that the sisters were shot in an honor killing a practice in some cultures in which men kill female relatives who are thought to have brought shame upon their families. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. She is a D-FW native with a B.A. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. A correction to the comment above. Nailed? Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. I very much doubt you are. Sorry not sorry. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. I really never thought of it again.. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? It seems so, according to you. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. I expect she will admit it one day. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Great catch. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again.

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